tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post1485395094861687248..comments2023-11-04T02:11:48.762+13:00Comments on GNOME Rocks My World: BrandingJohn Williamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03341883981037096260noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-541516731208541192007-06-28T04:17:00.000+12:002007-06-28T04:17:00.000+12:00There are a number of names out there that were on...There are a number of names out there that were once acronyms but now stand for nothing.<BR/><BR/>I think we should just go with that. This would also mean leaving GNOME all capitalized.<BR/><BR/>There are a number of trademarks out there that are capitalized and were never acronyms to begin with.. They were just simply in all caps.<BR/><BR/>But by all means let's have GNOME mean nothing but.. GNOME.<BR/><BR/>Besides.<BR/><BR/>"GaaNoooo" is like fingernails on chalkboard to me anyway.<BR/><BR/>Sorry hairy boy.. um er. RMS, but that's just the way it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-28490186132694667452007-04-19T23:48:00.000+12:002007-04-19T23:48:00.000+12:00vext: surprise, GNOME releases are already called ...vext: surprise, GNOME releases are already called something like that :) Most people fall back to GNOME in everyday use anyway.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08145351341410584926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-42359991789901349642007-04-19T23:46:00.000+12:002007-04-19T23:46:00.000+12:00First, I never thought that GNOME is silly name - ...First, I never thought that GNOME is silly name - sorry, it is much better than KDE or Xcfe, Second, in a time, it has got a nice little side meanings, and hey, feet is cute. Third, it is simply not worth the hussle because as brand GNOME is already out there.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08145351341410584926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-74969104603128996822007-04-19T22:45:00.000+12:002007-04-19T22:45:00.000+12:00In french the meaning of "gnome" is the same, and ...In french the meaning of "gnome" is the same, and I must tell that I never thougt "this is a silly name". I even think that it has a positive impact on the people. It sounds just nice and cute, and harmless.<BR/><BR/>GNOME Never Offered[1] his Meaning to be Emphasized.<BR/><BR/>[1] or OrderedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-48239721539395838412007-04-19T22:09:00.000+12:002007-04-19T22:09:00.000+12:00Firefox name changed a lot of time, but I think th...Firefox name changed a lot of time, but I think the big difference is that it was in the early stage of it's adoption.<BR/><BR/>Mozilla is still used and it has been over 5 years since I first heard of mozilla products and derived.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-42334201049082853152007-04-19T20:24:00.000+12:002007-04-19T20:24:00.000+12:00There have been points raised relating to the proj...There have been points raised relating to the projects underlying the Gnome umbrella, each with distinct identities and names (Maemo, Sugar etc). Adding to this the tentative move to web-based integration potentially forming divergent 'forms' of the Gnome desktop could Gnome/GNOME be the over-arching organisation and the desktop environment be called, well, anything really (users were not confused by the Mozilla -> Firefox branding transition).<BR/>How about Gnome Desktop Environment (GDE)? ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-74460071645371367532007-04-19T20:09:00.000+12:002007-04-19T20:09:00.000+12:00Topaz sounds real nice, and this doesn't have to e...Topaz sounds real nice, and this doesn't have to entail API changes. Let them remain the same, and if for nothing else but to honour history, just like GTK still got GIMP in it. Anyways, doesn't the meaninglessness of GNOME mean the original vision of the creators failed?Tshepang Lekhonkhobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06909798726493353059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-47714817232785290832007-04-19T19:18:00.000+12:002007-04-19T19:18:00.000+12:00This is bike-shedding. You'll get a lot of respons...This is bike-shedding. You'll get a lot of responses about irrelevant things. That doesn't make them relevant.Murrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02637487930576517964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-60152517757838370782007-04-19T18:50:00.000+12:002007-04-19T18:50:00.000+12:00Simple question: What name would you use and why i...Simple question: What name would you use and why is it better than GNOME?<BR/>Be aware that there must be a very good reason, since it would lead to a lot of work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-41619443873934490592007-04-19T17:11:00.000+12:002007-04-19T17:11:00.000+12:00Change the name. It sucks. Always has. Been on-...Change the name. It sucks. Always has. Been on-board with the desktop since 0.1 or whatever it was called and hate the name, but loved the desktop. I wish it mattered, but my vote is to change the name. Soon. Please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-63261009592103583192007-04-19T16:59:00.000+12:002007-04-19T16:59:00.000+12:00The name is just a name. There isn't a new name y...The name is just a name. There isn't a new name you can come up with that will be worth the bother of changing the name, or having two names.<BR/><BR/>Besides, gnomes are cute.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-18769085654816725412007-04-19T16:45:00.000+12:002007-04-19T16:45:00.000+12:00Ew, as a translator of Gnome packages, I can't eve...Ew, as a translator of Gnome packages, I can't even begin to think of how much work I will have to do after the name transition. I might just give up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-63354458707803761932007-04-19T16:40:00.000+12:002007-04-19T16:40:00.000+12:00I agree with the first commenter who mentioned the...I agree with the first commenter who mentioned the high cost versus the minimal payoff. Sure, it could be renamed, but I doubt it would gain us much. Perhaps if we were on the verge of launching a multi-national marketing campaign getting the name "just so" would be worth it. As it is though, I think most people fall into two camps: Those who know what it is, and to whom the name matters little, and those who don't know what it is, and to whom the name matters even less.<BR/><BR/>Ultimately I think Gnome is good enough, and changing would be more work than it's worth.<BR/><BR/>Dropping GNOME and the backronym are a good idea though. consistency++.qhartmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06541821606818302172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-49886881565002239222007-04-19T16:24:00.000+12:002007-04-19T16:24:00.000+12:00How about renaming it "GNU/Desktop"? ;)GNOME is pa...How about renaming it "GNU/Desktop"? ;)<BR/><BR/>GNOME is part of the GNU project, anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-9033489397968116992007-04-19T14:50:00.000+12:002007-04-19T14:50:00.000+12:00trolltech => gnome (tech) ???Miguel keeps his opin...trolltech => gnome (tech) ???<BR/><BR/>Miguel keeps his opinion fairly quiet but when pushed he did admit an ambivalence towards the acronym, gnome being the point and the acronyms was well a backronym. <BR/><BR/>Would be good to get developers thinking more about simple abstractions, especially given the number of applications which have been renamed over the almost 10 years of Gnome. It seems like proper engineering to abstract out the name of any application.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-1232695358389629372007-04-19T13:30:00.000+12:002007-04-19T13:30:00.000+12:00Yeah, that's a good point too - I was thinking of ...Yeah, that's a good point too - I was thinking of just the marketing side, but yes, there's also the in-code names. We've got code in our product referring to names that are about three changes out of date. For Gnome, they've got things like D-Bus interfaces with an org.gnome naming, all the gnome-* packages, commands, libraries, etc. That kind of thing just can't be changed in most cases - not without totally breaking API/ABI compatibility, and hardly anyone wants to do that even for a '3.0' release.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-84498279926903232772007-04-19T11:59:00.000+12:002007-04-19T11:59:00.000+12:00One problem is that it's comparatively easy to cha...One problem is that it's comparatively easy to change the name for the users, but the developers will still be stuck with APIs and libraries that call it GNOME. Assuming they will start to change over time too, things will just get into a bit of an inconsistent mess. (Case in point: the Cocoa classes in OSX still begin with "NS" for "NeXTSTEP"...)scottishwildcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08042267560075921334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19783718.post-5804868461075450042007-04-19T11:43:00.000+12:002007-04-19T11:43:00.000+12:00First, I'll say that the original "GNU Network Obj...First, I'll say that the original "GNU Network Object Model Environment' acronym was pretty silly - it's a bundle of meaningless jargon. While a more 'connected' environment (for want of a better term) would be a good thing, Gnome isn't, and never has been a 'Network Object Model Environment', whatever one of those is. Consigning that acronynm to history is, in my mind, a good thing.<BR/><BR/>As to the simple Gnome without the acronym, perhaps I'm just used to it, but I don't find it silly. Or perhaps it's that I associate the word with gnomic (i.e wise, knowing) rather than with garden ornaments. From that point of view, renaming the project seems like a huge re-branding exercise, without much gain. 'Topaz' wouldn't be a bad name for a project, but I don't see a lot of benefit in a name change, compared with a great deal of cost.<BR/><BR/>Plus, it's pretty hard to make such a change stick anyway - change the name today, and chances are people would still be calling it Gnome years from now. My company renamed the major product several years ago, but many people both inside and outside the organisation still use the old name despite the best efforts of our marketing people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com